Saturday, January 14, 2006

Makaravilakku

The annual drama happened, as usual, today.

Today when the Sreekovil (sanctum sanctorum)opened after 'deeparadhana', At the distant eastern hilly horizon , the light of 'jyothi' appeared to the immense satisfaction of the thousands of devotees who have thronged to the temple to pay obeisance to the Lord. This marks the grand finale of the two-month period of the Sabarimala pilgrimage.

They went home happily after the Makarajyothi/makaravilakku darshan.

I seriously believe most of them, deep in their minds, know that the whole thing is a show arranged by the Travancore Devaswom Board with a silent nod from the Government.

Days before makarajyothi, The Kerala Police/ Forest Guards cordon the adjacent hill of sabarimala. On the auspicious day, they climb up the hill and make the settings ready for "the annual makarajyothi show". They keep ready a huge pile of camphor, wet blankets etc. When the sreekovil is opened, they light the pile. Earlier, the time of opening the sreekovil and the lighting of the fire was synchronized by the AIR live commentary. Now with mobile phones, it should be much easier. The priest gives a missed call to the police, and they light the pile. Whoa ! The mysterious Makarajyothi appears! For anyone who is looking from sabarimala, it looks like a distant star in the sky. The police cover the fire with wet blankets, intermittently, to give the blinking effect!

Some years back, The Kerala Yukthivadi Sangham(The humanist association of Kerala) proved that the whole thing is a hoax. They climbed the hill and lighted a number of fires. I dont know if the devotees were confused or happy when they saw a number of ‘makarajyothis’ !

But, Thousands still believe Makarajyothi is a star which appears 3 times on that special occasion.

Why is the Travancore Devaswom Board doing this?

Simple. Sabarimala is a duck that lays golden eggs. It brings in the money for running other temples of lesser gods - they dont have the celebrity status of Ayyappan. They live below poverty line, cant earn enough collection to change a light bulb.

Why does the Government of Kerala support this ?

Even when the communists where in power, they supported this. Sabarimala is a place where thousands of people visit. Even from other states. The economy of the Pathanamtitta district depends heavily on Sabarimala. ( It is from the other states the money comes. Mallus believe in Free and Open Gods.)

Why does people believe this hoax ?

1) They don’t know that it’s a hoax.
2) They know it’s a hoax, but still wants to believe it. They are happy living in a world where still miracles happen.

I have been to Sabarimala n number of times. First, when I went, I didn’t have any idea of gods or miracles, I was a kid. Later, even when I knew the whole thing is hoax, I climbed the Sabarimala, not because I believe in gods or to witness the miracle, simply because by then I was the person who had been to the temple most number of times, thereby making me the leader(guruswamy) of the team. All the other guys (my friends, who otherwise kick my ass) had to touch my feet and get my blessings before they did anything. That was fun! You know, people lining up to get your blessings.. For a moment you get to know how god feels when people ask for blessings !

Being an atheist is good, while others wake up in the morning, take bath and go to the temple, you can comfortably sleep under your blanket.

UPDATE: 3/4/07
Since this is becoming one of the most commented blogpost in all my blogs, i am adding a few more links, which proves my point. These links were submitted by the fellow bloggers who commented below.

Here are the links
Fake Fire - article by TN Gopakumar in Kalakaumudi (malayalam)
Not a Miracle - NDTV news article



101 Comments:

Blogger Biju said...

Whoa, nice to know -there's somebody else out there who thinks it's a hoax!

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,
I didnt know it was a hoax.
If it was a hoax it would have been publicized earlier.
I do believe Makaravilaku is strange & always felt that its not real.The only thing I hate about today's system is Temples have become commericial.They dont look like prayer places anymore.

3:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swamiye Sarnam Ayyappa !!!

u say all this is a haox..
if its a real haox, do u feel a million people wud take this ?

what wud probably be the count of pple like u who think this is a haox ? in hundreds or thousands..
do u ppl have any strong evidence to prove this is a haox other than just a narration ?
juz let us know if u have one...

10:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The author of this web is wrong...pretty mad indeed...
Every one knows of Lord Krishna's eagle... and.....................
No one can make stars appear in the sky either...


I am an ardent devotee of Lord Ayyappa and i believe he comes in the form of "Makarajyothi" every year...

It is noticable that 3 stars become clearly visible, close to each other representing Lord Shiva, Lord Maha- Vishnu and Lord Brahma...
Krishna's Eagle flutters its wings and flies around the sky visible to the human eye at the same time, before the makarajyothi...

The stars and eagles are no where to be seen after the makarajyothi...

Makarajyothi has been visible for more than 150 years and do you think will there be such a hoax going on for more than a generation without the knowledge of the public.The police department also forms a part of public, not only do they work for the government/Devasom board, they also work for themselves... Wont such a matter if hoax spread worse than the forest fire???

So the claim of mobile phones and previously used tools as mentioned may be neglected or ruled out, taking into consideration the ignorance of the person who writes that the makarajyothi is a hoax!

Any arguements may be forwarded to me. My e-mail ID is : kkrishnan88@yahoo.co.in

Swami Saranam

12:30 PM  
Anonymous vibha said...

Just yesterday i thought about this..I was searching for the 'real fact' behind,the Jyothi,and i came across ur blog.I see a number of comments to ur blog supporting the idea that it isnt a hoax. Yesterday,i talked to my grandpa about this,and suprisingly,he told me that the Govt,police and the devaswam is cheating the millions.He personally knows an uncle(police) who was once a part of the team that took the camphor and other things to deep inside the forest to play this great drama.
I myself,believe in God and Ayyappan,but still i dont know wht people do such things to fool people

CHeers !
Vibha

8:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a beliver of GOD. When vieo of Saddam can appear, why not someone post a verifyable video clarifying the act.

Swami Saranam
Madhu

1:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If one has guts to prove it, why can't agencies like Tehelka entered into this? Because, the people who term it as Hoax, are not sure in what they say.

Just to be different than the crowd, you guys write whatever is odd to be ordantly visible.

Prove it with evidence, millions trust you guys. Have guts???

3:54 AM  
Anonymous minu said...

i have heard a lot about the same issue,but had my own doubts about it .it s a sad thing that the beliefs on innocent people are being used in such manner.but my doubt is why cant a solid evidence be brought about to prove the point to thousands who are being misled..,why cant the media interfere,wats really wrong in helping the innocent people..?is politics playing a part here also

5:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thatwamasi!

Read all the comments above. Be it a hoax or not a hoax. But it never sends awrong message unlike some other religious congressions. Infact it re inforces the man's faith in the almighty. Those people who witness this jyothi, in a background filled with the saranam vili from crores of people at same time, feel their body and mind fully purified.

Ultimately, why dont we believe that it isn't a hoax.

8:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Easy target, isnt it? To go after millions of devotees minding their business and trying to get some peace and happiness in their lives. Could not find anything more useful to do with your free time? Next time, if you cant find something decent to say, try not saying anything at all....might the make the world a better place for all of us

8:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,
I really dont feel wat d person in this blog has written is true...
coz if ther was so much of play goin behind all this,tht 2 4 so many years ther is much possibility tht it wuld hve been out in d open lng bck...
ther has been much curiosity regardin all this and if wat he says is a fact its 2 shockin 2 hve been locked up 4 so long.
it is 2 true 2 b a hoax!!!

12:48 AM  
Blogger Satheesh said...

The one who explained "Makajyothi" as a 'Drama" is simply a stupid. He doesn't belive in God. He means to say that the 'Makara Nakshatram' & 'Krishnaparunthu' are also managed by some celestial drama artists. Let's forgive this mad man.

May Lord Ayyappa forgive him.

7:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cool man.. its nice to see someone who thinks a lot like me.. i ve always firmly believed that this is a hoax. i had read about this in a magazine. There was an article by one of the members of the kerala yukthivadi sangam. Makaravilakku is strange coz every year more and more people seem to be drawn to sabarimala even when it can be clearly understood by a person with minimum common sense that this is not real.

9:46 PM  
Anonymous Ajish said...

how about a satellite pic of the event !!

3:07 AM  
Blogger Jiss said...

http://www.dharmadam.info/sabarimala.html

Please read this article for the people who die every year to see this "miracle"
It is not fair to say people that what they belive is wrong
but if it can save a few peoples life , i dont mind being unfair
being a regular visitor of that beautiful temple
I think it is the responsliblity of each of us belivers to save our fellow belivers if possible

If you have ever been to sabarimala you might have seen the word written right on top of the sreekovil
It reads "Thathwamasi".meaning "it is you only". This is the only temple i know in which
the devotee is also called by the name of lord himself.

Going to sabarimala is not about seeing the miracles
it is about learning to see a god in your fellow devotees and thereafter every other living thing in the world
If one doesnt try to learn that I think no point in going to that wonderfull place

this all are my personal opinion only. please ignore it if it doesnt comply with yours

12:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello

If anyone interested in reading a malayalam article appeared in Kalakaumud, visit following link:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_JIvcTiQZLB4/Rbh6kV2XTHI/AAAAAAAAABM/3rw0CItdoRI/s1600-h/Kalakaumudi.jpg

Rajan

11:15 PM  
Blogger Demon said...

thanks for all the comments guys.

i am sorry for the late reply, i wasnt checking on the comments of late.
in the comments, there are a few claims the anonymous people who comment make to say what i am saying is false.
1. if its true, it would have been published earlier.

ofcourse, it was published earlier, like its now, you were a not listening even then.

2.if its a real haox, do u feel a million people wud take this ?

in olden days, millions of people thought earth was flat, that didnt make the earth flat, did it ?

3. 3 stars become clearly visible, close to each other representing Lord Shiva, Lord Maha- Vishnu and Lord Brahma...

well i dont get the connection.. if 3 stars come together, how does that make makarajyothi true ?

4. Krishna's Eagle flutters its wings and flies around the sky visible to the human eye at the same time, before the makarajyothi...

when ever there is a crowd, and food scattered around there will be eagles ( and crows ) in the sky and rats on earth. That neither makes the event, eagles or the rats special. Ever looked up when there is a sports meet or something like that ?

5. why not someone post a verifyable video clarifying the act.

they did. this year(2006) a few days before makara vilakku NDTV showed this news article saying its a hoax. As usual u were looking the other side.

6. Prove it with evidence, millions trust you guys. Have guts???

Its completely upto u to belive my words or not. As i see there is enough evidence around u, if u want to belive. now if u want the CM to come to your home and confess about it to belive, may be u should wait a little longer.

7. Easy target, isnt it?

:) May be you should ask this question to the people who are fooling you.

8. Let's forgive this mad man. May Lord Ayyappa forgive him.

:) ha ha. thanks for your benevolence, but iam just fine.


thanks all the other guys who supported me in this. Thanks rajan for posting this link. So those who belives only the printed word, please read this

guys, please open your eyes, only then you will be able to see the naked truth.

10:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bullshit.... have you ever been there? Go and do and experiment by doing the same "bullshit" you had said. and prove it. Take note of how wet the blanket is, and how many kerala police constable u need to cary it and let me know how many of them are erady to do this shit. HOPE YOU TAKE INSUARANCE BEFORE YOU DO THE EXPERIMENT. Atleast your family benefit. Good luck dude.

1:11 PM  
Blogger orange said...

It's a pity that people like you are becoming Guru Swamy's. Even if Makar Jyothi is hoax, and ayyappan is a non entity for you, then why the heck did you go to sabarimala continuously for 18 years (Ithink that is the eligibility criterion to become a Guru swamy). Yeah.. i can think of one reason, you must have been searching for the truth behind makara jyothi... INDEED the ways of God are great.. at least he made people like you travel all the way to him every year.. even if it is to ridicule the whole thing.

Malluss.... they can never..be .. real...
you can write back to me if you feel so at my email id

11:11 PM  
Blogger mDemon said...

someone said: Go and do and experiment by doing the same "bullshit" you had said. and prove it.

If you cant believe even after responsible publications like kalakumudi or NDTV report it as a hoax, How do i prove it to you, Mr Noname ? Should I take you there and show it to you ?

Orange said:then why the heck did you go to sabarimala continuously for 18 years ?

I have explained that in the blog, Didnt I ? Also i couldnt see your profile, may be u should let people see it.

1:44 AM  
Blogger bhattathiri said...

Where is God? Where is God?



Your website is beautiful, informative and Excellent.

Article by M.P. Bhattathiri, Retired Chief Technical Examiner , to The Govt. of Kerala. Humble request that it may be published in your website and magazine after editing if necessary





Where is God? Where is God? Somebody's (especially youth) curious enquiry .How it can be explained The only answer is that "God is everywhere means in living and nonliving things yet localized, all-pervading yet aloof. He walks yet doesn't walk. He is far away yet very near as well. also like taste of water , ligt of sun " Such contradictory statements are not whimsical. Rather, they indicate God's inconceivable power.We can only feel and enjoy.

The Absolute Truth, God in all religions Christ, Krishna or Allah, can be realized in three phases: Brahman, Paramatma and Bhagavan. These aspects of the Absolute Truth are comparable to the sunshine (Brahman), the sun's surface (Paramatma) and the sun planet (Bhagavan);three different features of the same reality.

The Brahman aspect of God is the beginningless, impersonal form of the Lord, the effulgence of God's transcendental body. Just as the root of a tree maintains the whole tree, God, the root of all things, maintains everything by His energies: He is the heat in fire, the taste of water, the light of the sun ;the underline principle or foundatio of everything. Although Krshna spread Himself throughout His creation, He retained His own personality. "Unintelligent men, who do not know Me perfectly, think that I was impersonal before and have now assumed this personality," God explains in Bhagavad-gita. "Due to their small knowledge, they do not know My higher nature, which is imperishable and supreme" (Bg. 7.24). Although impersonalists may eventually achieve the Lord, their path is fraught with difficulties, for it is unnatural for the embodied soul to conceive of the unembodied, which is only a partial aspect of the Absolute Truth.

Realization of God as "Paramatma," the Supersoul in the heart of every embodied soul, is compared to knowing the sun disc in the sky. The Paramatma is the supreme proprietor, witness and permitter, and He accompanies the wandering soul through its 8,400,000 embodiments. Acting as the soul's friend, He remains the soul's constant companion during his sojourn in the material world, no matter what type of body the soul inhabits;in pig, mosquito, philosopher, demigod. The Supersoul helps him fulfill his desires by supplying knowledge, remembrance, and forgetfulness.

Although the Supersoul appears to be divided among all beings, He is never divided. Rather, He is situated as one and all;like the sun reflected in millions of buckets of water. Paramatma can be perceived through total surrender, meditation, cultivation of knowledge, working without fruitive desires and finally devotion. A person in full knowledge of Paramatma understands that the Supersoul is the localized aspect of the Supreme Personality of Godhead within this material world and that the next step is to worship Him as Bhagavan.

The word "Bhagavan" refers to one who possesses in full all opulences that we possess in minute degree: riches, strength, fame, beauty, knowledge and renunciation. Although everyone can claim some degree of these opulences, only the Supreme Personality of Godhead can claim them all absolutely.

"Although I am unborn and My transcendental body never deteriorates," Krshna tells Arjuna in the Bhagavad-gita (4.6), "I still appear in every millennium in My original transcendental form." Krshna appears in this world "to deliver the pious, annihilate the miscreants, and to reestablish the principles of religion" (Bg. 4.8). He does not change His body when He appears, like a common living entity, who appears in body after another. Rather, He appears in His original eternal form, with two hands, holding a flute. Still, it appears that He takes birth like an ordinary child and grows to boyhood and youth. But He never ages beyond youth. At the time of the Battle of Kuruksetra, He was more than one hundred years old by material calculations, but He looked like a young man. He is the oldest person, but neither His body nor His intelligence ever deteriorates or changes.

"One can understand me as I am, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, only by devotional service. And when, by such devotion, one is fully conscious of Me, one can enter the kingdom of God" (Bg. 18.55).

The Vedic scriptures declare that Bhagavan Sri Krshna is the source of both the Supersoul and Brahman and the origin of all avataras. Avataras are scheduled incarnations who descend from the spiritual world to execute the Lord's mission of protecting the devotees and annihilating the miscreants. Their descent is foretold in the scriptures so that unscrupulous persons can be checked from claiming to be avataras. .

A common misconception of uninformed students of the Bhagavad-gita is that Krsna's universal form (described in the Eleventh Chapter) is the last word in God realization. The universal form is most impressive and spectacular: "If hundreds of thousands of suns were to rise at once into the sky, their radiance might resemble the effulgence of the Supreme Person in that universal form. Arjuna could see in the universal form of the Lord the unlimited expansions of the universe situated in one place although divided into many, many thousands" (Bg. 11.13). The universal form frightened Arjuna and boggled his mind, especially the kala-rupa, the form of time that was devouring and chewing up all the combatants on the battlefield of Kuruksetra. Arjuna therefore requested Krshna to withdraw His terrifying universal form and show him His four-armed Visnu form. Krshna agreed. Then, reverting back to the two-armed form that Arjuna was accustomed to see, the Lord declared, "This form of Mine you are now seeing is very difficult to behold. It cannot be understood simply by studying the Vedas, nor by undergoing serious penances, nor by charity, nor by worship. Only by undivided devotional service can I be understood as I am, standing before you, and can thus been seen directly" (Bg. 11.53-4).

The kingdom of God is called we say heaven, the place without anxiety, and it lies far beyond this world of matter. It is eternal, and every single one of its atoms is fully conscious and blissful. Shaped like a lotus flower whose petals are the countless spiritual planets where the God in the form of Chist, Krishna or Allah reside.

Ref. Various religious texts.

Comments.

ARTICLE BY SRI.M.P.BHATTATHIRI in Bhaktapriya published from Guruvayur Devaswom, Trissur.

One answer I can give you is that the proof or foundation of the presence of Lord Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, etc., are all very similar. There are books or legends, and also landmarks where various activities have taken place. But if you should ever travel to the holy places of India, you will find numerous areas where the historical legends have taken place, or even where physical evidence remains that shows the reality of the historical accounts, especially of the past activities of Sri Krishna, or Buddha, Shiva, and others. The more you travel in India, the more you will see this sort of evidence and the basis of the traditions that people continue to hold.
I am presently working on a book that will help show the basis of these traditions and evidence that can be found in the numerous holy places of India, based on my own travels to most of these places.
Hari OM,
Stephen Knapp

6:56 PM  
Blogger Rahul said...

Respected Sir,

The famous Indian Philosopher J.Krishnamoorti once said "both god-believer's and atheists are superstitious for both have closed their search for reality and started blindly believing in 'god' or 'no god'.

As human race, always has a tendency to believe in 'conspiracy theories', 'hoax theories', it is very tough to prove other wise. How many have times have we heard of great hoaxes, fantastic tittilating cover up...FROM Jesus married mary magdalene, to "Man never went to moon, it was only a studio" to Area 51 where Flying Saucers or Extra Terrestrials (also remember alien abduction), living beings from other planets live...

Anyway dear Sir..I usually dont comment to these things. but because you appear sensible, i really want to convey the other side of your story. By the way I am Rahul Easwar, Grandson of the Supreme Priest (Tantri, the person who gives missed calls (allegedly).

I would request you to ponder three points and i will myself give the counter points to them.

Point no 1.

Makara Jyothi has been going on for centuries. There have been reference to this kind of celestial light in southern India in Buddhist Scriptures (u can refer internet) and some travellers memoirs who came to india centuries ago.

Counter point 1.

May be these lights were lit by tribals of that age as a part of their festival or was a secret cover up for sabarimala even from that point of time.

Point 2

It is only a misconception that Swamy Ayyappan founded Sabarimala. It was a Sastha temple, milleniums old supposedly founded by Parasurama. And makara jyothi was supposedly the heavenly light given by Indra and Narada when Bhagavan Parasurama did the Pratishta. Later according to many historians, when Buddhism swept Kerala, it changed into a Buddhist Vihara. Then also many historians and travellers give clues about some kind of miracle there.

Counter point 2

Just because historians says, it need not be true.

Point 3

Sadly NDTV's report and Kaumudi's report was biased. As you might have seen it, it never include our views. It was a one sided story. They asked Minister, but who is he to answer. He is here for hardly 5 years..but my family was there for the past 1000 years. I have talked to NDTV's reporters and they have told they will convey the other side next year. And about Gopakumar sir, i have called him some days back and we will be meeting.

Counter Point 3

Hopefully I can give later.

Point 4

I have talked to almost all the people who "claimed" they were behind this miracle. And I have met atleast 5-6 people who claimed to have lit the lamp in a given same year. If they are so sure, why in this modern spy hidden-cam, tehelka, investigative journalism era..some one "expose" the beleif of 5 crore devotees coming there.
If police is stopping them, why cant they shoot it and show. why can they do the 'live' of police stopping them in this age of high technical advance.

counter point 4

Police, Devasom Board and Government is guarding it so safely and secretly

Point 5

Kerala has not only been ruled by believer Karunakaran, but also by atheist Antony, Communist Achutanandan, Outspoken Nayanar and Sudhakaran, Righteous Achutamenon, Rebellious E.M.S why did they never even try in a indirect way to "expose" perhaps the greatest religious Fraud in modern India. What about the honourable seats of Justice, High courts and Supreme Court, Did they also close their eyes to Sabarimala and Makara jyothi?

By the way India was also ruled by Britishers who really wanted to eradicate other religious beliefs through their missionary work. What happend to them. Did they and their police, army also did this for Sabarimala.

Counter point 5

May be it was a sensitive topic and Britishers didnt want to touch it. May be for the same reason all out Ministers and Courts also didnt want to comment.

As far as I know, I dont know the mystery behind Makra jyothi and Eagle roaming around tiruvabharanam. You can clarify with Kerala Yukthivadi Sangham, I have personally went there and discussed this issue in detail with them. I have also gone to Tantris, Swamis and other religious people in search of the answer to a question my logic cannot answer. If I get the answer, I will definitely let you know, But if you are not getting the answer remember what Socrates said " The enemy of true knowledge is not ignorance, it is belief that I already 'know'. " Swamy Saranam....Rahul Easwar

3:24 PM  
Blogger Venoo V said...

It is so funny that a non believer "Guruswamy" researches something without going into the root of the topic he writes on.Hinduism has always been passive about its history and has never compelled its believers to learn or preach its morals.Sad to say , we see a lot of foreigners researching and following the very principles of Hinduism whereas the very same Hindus find fault with its principles without any research.In a land with rich culture it is time that each individual learn the richness of the Hindu culture and learn the process of being a Hindu.By doing that he will definitely learn to justify any action he is preparing to do.Ayyappan ,Makaravilakku,Krishnaparanthu and the blessed Sabarimala has been always there and no amount of scams can take away the trust that the devoted Indians have.If there was any hoax in it,there are a lot of electronic applications that would have revealed the hoax.We know that no one is free from the satellites hovering in the sky and we also know that any mischief being done on the earth can be detected by these satellites.
So please -I request the person who has come out with this blog to put his mind at rest and think of doing something to help people from the damages being done by weather and to denounce and find solutions to bring out the bad in the corrupt politicians.Let the lesser people (including me) live a life of peace and little comfort that can be evoked by the sacrifice you can make in this direction.Wishing you all the best and you can count on our help- there will be a few people in this country who will see through my eye in this aspect-Let us make our country proud.Regards:VENOO V V

9:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,
If Makarajyothi is manmade, what about the eagles flying above when the jewellery box (thiruvabharana petti)is being brought on that same day?

12:18 AM  
Blogger akhil said...

I'm with you. I did a post on this too!


Some lines I really liked from yours ...

"They climbed the hill and lighted a number of fires. I dont know if the devotees were confused or happy when they saw a number of ‘makarajyothis’ !"

He hee ...

"2) They know it’s a hoax, but still wants to believe it. They are happy living in a world where still miracles happen."

Sathyam!

And, to top it off ...

"Being an atheist is good, while others wake up in the morning, take bath and go to the temple, you can comfortably sleep under your blanket."

*wink*

4:55 AM  
Blogger chandrasekhar said...

hi mdemon .... it could be true that the makarajyothi is a hoax and also that it is supported by the government as it generates lot of money... but i think the point that we should think about is that who is harmed by such a thing.... you yourself mentioned that many people come to the temple despite knowing that it is a hoax.... am sure they come because they feel good.... and is it wrong to do something that one feels good about .... i understand that it could be a hoax( although nothing is conclusively : and the indian telivision media are the last people that i would beleive).... i fail to understand what is the point that you are rying to drive home.... if people know it is a hoax and still want to go to see it, why should others have a problem.... one more thing : i beleive( as also stated in one of the posts above) that the penance(or whatever you may wish to call it) that is observd for around 40 days where all devotees going for the pilgrimage address each other as "GOD" irrespective of social or economic status is something that teaches an induvidual to always repect another induvidual.... i find it difficult to understand that you, who have been doing it for so many years fail to appreciate it...... looking forward to a reply

2:16 AM  
Blogger Praveen said...

Just another comment - Thanks Mr B.R.Haran
‘N’ation ‘D’amaging ‘T’ele ‘V’ision (NDTV) hangs its head in shame

CHANNEL : NDTV.
DAY / DATE : Thursday the 11th of January 2007.
TIME : 8.30 pm.
PROGRAM : 'Verdict' – India 60 minutes.
TOPIC : Makara Jyothi in Sabari Mala.

HIDDEN AGENDA: To insult Aiyappa Devotees; To ridicule Hindu faith; To hurt Hindus' religious sentiments.

PANEL : 1. Shri. G. Sudhagaran, Devaswom Minister,Government of Kerala.

2. Shri. Ananthraman, Guru Swamy from Bangalore.

3. Shri. Rajan Gurukkal, School of Social Sciences, MG University.

ANCHOR : Ms. Nidi Razdan.

QUESTION : Is "Makara Jyohthi" (Divine Light) a miracle or State's set up?

BACK DROP GIVEN BY THE CHANNEL:

1981 – Mr. Karunakaran Nair of KSEB (Kerala State Electricity Board) along with the help of his driver Gopinathan Nair set up an 'artificial' jyothi by lighting 2Kgs of camphor.

1986 – Officials of Devaswom Board set up an artificial Jyothi with the protection of the Kerala Police.

The correspondent of NDTV showed a concrete platform like structure from where the artificial light was allegedly set up by the 'state'. He also said that the setting up of the 'Jyothi' is an open secret, but the devotees are not bothered.

DISCUSSION:

Mr. G.Sudhagaran:- The 'Makara Jyothi' cannot be termed as a State's set up. The government has never involved in such things. The government respects the 'faith' of all religions and all religions have many such faiths, which should not be questioned or debated, as it will hurt their religious sentiments.

Mr. Anantharaman, Guruswamy:- As devotees of Swami Aiyappa, we believe in Makara Jyothi and that is why millions of devotees are thronging the Sabarimala every year. We have steadfast faith in Lord.Aiyappa, which should not be debated.

Mr. Rajan Gurukkal:- Such a farce has resulted in many stampedes and unfortunate deaths. It is condemnable that the government itself is involved in such set ups.

The channel showed the result of the SMS poll as 100% for state's set up and 0% for miracle, along with support comments from only three viewers, just for a few seconds and withdrew the figures & comments. Suddenly the anchor thanked the panelists and closed the program and shifted to sports news. The whole program lasted only for 5 to 6 minutes, while normally such 'verdict' debates are conducted for 30 to 40 minutes.

What happened behind the scenes? Why the program was abruptly closed?

The answer is left to our guessing.

RESULT:- The embarrassed Anchor Nidi Razdan cut a sorry figure and NDTV hung its head in shame.

4:40 PM  
Anonymous agb said...

Dear Sir,
1. U may be atheist, no religion by practice - thats ur wish; But who gives authority to question mhow do U disrupt my faith?
2. If U are a reformer out int he wild to prove that the blind faith of people is wrong, why choose Hinduism? Can you research and tell the same to Muslims & christians?
3. Lakhs of people visit prior to Makara viLaku during Oct-Nov and during every Malayalam month; Just that MakaraviLakku is peak thats all; So ur "sting" doesnt have real sting!!
4. Even if it is a hoax I dont care; for me its a pilgrimage with my fellow Hindus to a holy abode where I beleive, years ago, God took an avatar, lived as a prince, walked thru the forests etc. Also my father & forefathers undertook such a travel. Im carrying on that family tradition.
4. No pilgrims do any animal sacrifice; Nobody does any terrorist activities; Leave all that nobody affected your life; Then what gives you the right to meddle into a business which has nothing to do with you?
Just because Hindus are hopelessly split across caste lines? Nobody questions you? Nobody will light a fire to your house?
As I always feel the Hindus lack terrorist outfits like Muslims. If thats there you and your ilk will shut your mouth and mind your business.

12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HI..is there a netwok coverage in Ponnambalamedu to recive he miss call??? plse clarify

10:29 PM  
Anonymous Ayyapa Bhaktan said...

Hi,

It is the belief that makes people take all the hardships and see Lord Ayyappa .....this belief & devotion can never be taken away by these yukthi vaadis.

If they r so into finding truth let them go & dig out the true color of the so called leaders of our country instead of questioning the belief of millions...
Thanks

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MOST absurd comments made against the faith of millions of people by stating illogical and nonsense reasons.
i would rather ask this bloody to go to hell rather living in this world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4:16 AM  
Anonymous Rajamanikandan said...

Samiye Saranam Ayyappa!!!
So that your thinking your are the only brilliant in this world and crore of peoples are mad and fool.

3:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my friend told me that this makarvilaku is a strange phenomenon in the sky...but when i saw it live in tv...it was clear nothing is happening in the sky but common sense reveals that someone is lighting a fire out there........huh.....Today also JAN 14 2008...this same stupid thing is going to happen....Where is tehelka or National geographic

10:58 PM  
Anonymous A mallu said...

I feel sorry for this ignorant soul. It's easy to say that makarajyothi is a hoax if one doesn't understand what it is. The folks who dispute it are like barking dogs which never bite.

11:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There must be faith to run this word...
There must be God to keep in faith...
There must be miracles for God to be sustained....
If you are alive...
Then God must be true...
But, If the faith in you dies, you die and God dies....

5:41 AM  
Blogger A G Venkat Sharma said...

Explain these and I will accept that God doesn't exist.

Who engineered evolution?

Who created Universe?

Energy can be created nor destroyed.
Which Energy was used up while creation of universe?

Something can not come out of nothing. If you believe that the gases which fused to form the Helios(Sun) is true.
Explain me from where these gases would have come from.

Men became scientists.
But, God created men.

You can believe in science,
science explains everything.

But do you know?
Science is just based on assumptions.

Even 'Time' is an assumption.
Numbers are mere representations.

But the truth is Inevitable,
God is the best known engineer,script-writer,poet,artist,and behold he is the best judge.

Answer me, If you have any.

5:50 AM  
Blogger A G Venkat Sharma said...

Another question for you dude.

Do you know the cause and effect statement?
Newtons laws?

If universe was the effect.What was it cause?

The first cause argument (or “cosmological argument”) takes the existence of the universe to entail the existence of a being that created it. It does so based on the fact that the universe had a beginning. There must, the first cause argument says, be something that caused that beginning, a first cause of the universe

6:04 AM  
Anonymous Abhishek Prabhu said...

Hi M Daemon,
Great job bro....
I too am of the thought that this is a hoax !!!! In fact, after watching a couple of videos on youtube, i made up my mind to find the real thing on my own..... I am not an atheist, but i do challenge such miracles in today's world !!! I have my deep rooted belief in god and his powers, but human -created shows like the 'Makara-Jyothi' have been around for a long time misusing innocent people's beliefs for commercial purposes. Its heartening to know so many other hands are involved too !!!! I thank you for your eye-opening blog. keep up the good work friend...

9:21 AM  
Blogger mDemon said...

thanks for the comments. I have only onething to tell to the believers amongst my dear readers, "Let your beliefs save you !"

others, thanks for the support.

here are a few more links

a nice article on the history of sabarimala

NDTV story exposing the fake fire

wikipedia article on Makara jyothi

youtube video of makaravilakku


Forum seeks to inspect Makara Jyothi


all the best,
keep reading, have fun

3:21 PM  
Anonymous varun said...

thtz superb work keep rokin

3:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

are u an idiot to say that a priest takes a mobil with him during the poojas??all the people sourrounding him are not just fools to pretend that they dont see anything done on a mobile by the priest if such a thing happens....moreover the no. of people visiting sabarimala is only increasing and many people are cured of diseases and many mirackles happen like this..jealousy publications from both individuals and publications may come but they dont proove the things what you have said, in any manner.police may light up a fire in forest but how can police light up a star in the sky?? give proofs for your article when you publish a thing like this..

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not nice to play with the sentiments of the Hindus, just because we practice tolerance..

Would you dare write about any other religion. I am sure you would have seen diff. reactions..

I sincerely pray for you and wish god forgive your ignorance.

10:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmmmmm , i heartly appreciate ur guts to b able to tell wat u want to.......... well i m a muslim but still i do have some believe in Makaravilakku..........may b as u said i m also among those who like 2 live in a world where miracles still happen...... do u think its actually possible 4 people to get up there every year n do it exactly the same way every year? well i don know vat the truth is but still like to belive that there is some miracle still happening aroud here.

11:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a devotee of Swami Ayyappan. The Supreme power incarnates from time to time to the earth to re-establish dharma (as per Bhagavad Gita - The Song of the God). In the Kaliyuga (present) people are living in the material world and we are materialistic. Even if God is infront of us we will not realize. There is a purpose for each Avatar (incarnation). Whether we believe or not, in each Avatar, the Supreme Lord accomplishes the purpose and returns. Where, during such period of temporary stay, few luckiest people realize the Supreme power, believe him, love him and get the chance to experience the devine love and care. While the ignorant will say those people are mad, while they do not realize the feeling and blessing of experiencing the devine love.
I would like to ask you one question. We all lived all these years. Were we be able to witness any mysteries, or can we tell anything that we have witnessed till now, can we think of a new temple and diety as a result of our experiences? The answer is no; because we have not witnessed anything as such.
But, do you think the Vedas, The Bhagavad Gita, and all the temples (like Guruvayur, Sabarimala, Palani, Kanchipuri templse) just came like that without anything.??????!!!!!!! Not at all!!!! There existed incarnations and all said above are as a result....
Swami Ayyappan lived in the Pandalam temple and returned after accomplishing his assignment. Before leaving, he told The King once in a year (on Makarajyothi day) he will give darshan to his devotees the Real Darshan as Jyothi... I do belive that.

Ok, if the Jyothi is created by people, who creates the Three stars and the Krishna's eagle????

Let us admit one fact:
Take a family without father, or a company without a manager. The father or company will collapse. So what about the Universe, if there is no power to control ???!!!

10:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Mr PhotoGrapher Why can't you go up there and take some photos.Hindu as such is not religion it a collection of people of different groups and ethinic backgrounds.So sadly Unitey is less and so anyone can do anything.Talk something about SAUDIARABIA...I mean about the stone throwing or about POPE....I want you to feel the difference dear

9:01 PM  
Blogger sonu P said...

It was my question for a long time how this happening. I refer the possible star and sky combination in detail to find answer.But I couldn't. Then at last i reached the answer here. I am believing god. But i cant support this type of cheating especially to innocent people. I read all opinion. Don't feel bad. Its not against one religion. Its against a form of cheating (If it is true).So all please put mind to find truth and if it is true let others to know the result. Don,t let others to cheat you.

4:00 AM  
Blogger Anu said...

Dear friends,
Don't feel its against a religion. Please try to find is there any fact in this. Don't allow anybody to cheat us. Anyway thank you 'author' this post.

4:16 AM  
Anonymous manchavilakom sankaran said...

hi
I do believe god ayyappa and
I do believe that makarajothy is hoax
My grand pa told me one story that
In early years the people lived in forest(appachi medu) celebrate their festival by lightning gigantic lamp. Fortunately they celebrate on the same day of makaravilakku. people believe that was star (makara jothy)
after some years they stop their festival celebration. that year nobody saw makarajyothy and Devotees from other state believed that god ayyapa not stay in sabarimala .this inversely affect the number of devotees visit sabarimala and EARNING from other state.so deveswom board played the dirty game by lightning the camphor to foolish the devotees mainly to increase their earning by attracting the devoties
This story may b true
If it is true the govt. should take decision against the dirty players before taking action against fake saint

5:36 AM  
Blogger bhattathiri said...

One of my friends Sri.P.S.Iyer comment the following.
Swami Saranam!

It pains to read this mail though it is well known fact amongst the pilgrims that Makara Jyothi and Makara Vilakku are two different items.

I have visited Sabari Malai from 1967 onwards regularly for the Jyothi day and our group has seen it without fail every year so also many devotees. Due to advanced age I stopped visiting Malai for some years now though our group still goes regularly and comes back narrating how they saw the jyothi and how the clamour was amongst the pilgrims. In fact, I took my wife also during my last 5-6 trips when I could not go via the long route but visited by Pampa temple.

I faintly recollect that during Indira Gandhi's time she arranged with IAF to locate the source of the Vilakku but failed to arrive at a result! Then, she even visited the temple by a helicopter for which a special helipad was constructed near Sabari Peetam.

Let us not believe this CPI/CPM GOVT. AS ALSO THE CONGRESS for these people will stoop down to any level for VOTE BANKS!

SWAMI SARANAM!!

7:38 AM  
Anonymous manchavilakom sankaran said...

plz change appachi medu to ponnambalamedu in my passage

8:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

swmiyai saranam ayappaa

this person who wrote this article is totally blind......
the "SREEKTISHNA PARUNDU" The devine EAGLE that fly around the the shrine is ths solid proof for the spirutual miracle of SABARIMALA
"THE MAKARA SANKRANTHI NAKSHATRM" The divine star that come up in sky at the auspitious moment unconditionally prove the greatness of SWAMY AYAPPAN...
SWAMYIYA SARNAM AYAPPA...

12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont bother whether it is hoax or not ... i believe it..

5:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys please note whay the tanthri admitted publically : IT is a HOAX !!!

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Sneha said...

When i heard about it, I just couldn't agree with it.
Tehelka (issue dated 21 June '08) has exposed the hoax saying that the miraculous fire is a work of human hands.
The articles also mentions P.Ravi Varma, a member of the Pandalam royal family considered custodians of Sabarimala. He said, 'The temple declaration brings nothing new. During my childhood, I have heard elders in my family giving instructions to ensure that the light is lit and flashed three times."

Ha-ha-ha-ha to all the religious-idol-worshiping fanatics.

10:12 PM  
Blogger debonair said...

People who thinks this is a total stupidity to raise voice against makaravilakku..its not too far that they will get into a relegious superstition pit...

dis thng is proved dat makaravilakku is a hoax,but as we are indians it is very easy 2 make dem fOOl....

See..
Even if u haven't Heard of a place called "China" it is a hoax for u,but in real that place exists brother...


thats what the case wid some people out here.they are not ready 2 accept d truth..all d best...

6:32 AM  
Blogger rajeev said...

heloo we were beleive a power that control ours and world here some body said it is not true if that person who were praying god all os them said but they affriad one matter plse understtod this like foolish matter dont said why u were said it is false comend ru see the things what havebeen made from Sabarimala plse understood it is only for beleives all of them beleives these if u like people write anything that all of them not accept plse dont write like these i think u have sense of knowledge to seee these words plse understood other wise?

7:06 AM  
Blogger Sudeep said...

What is the point in arguing whether it’s a hoax or not. What difference it makes to us?. I would suggest you to spent time in thinking about the messages that this great shrine and lord Ayyapa gives rather than spending time in arguments. How many of us know the real meaning of Thathwamasi

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whatever u claim I believe in Lord ayyappa. But I think the real jyothi is the star which appear on the sky(makara nakshathram). This cannot be created by anyone. It appears only at that time. And the 'Krishnaparunthu' also. No other eagles you can see at that time. How it is posible?? I have reallife experience with Lord Ayyappa in my life also which i dont want to share with u..

If u believe it s for ur good..

1:57 AM  
Blogger rohin said...

Hello,

Swami,

I know all people talk about Makara Jyothi and want to make a statement in Blog sites that they know the reality,which may be or may not be.Its speculation,no one is ever met the person,who saw the camphor being lit or who was trying to perform Jyothi.I dont disagree,neither I agree.There should be an evidence,its been so many years,that people throng to experience divine Jyothi,there is always a probability of getting to know the truth.The priest who agreed that it was artificial is also only in Blog sites,no one has ever seen the interview in papers or tv.Me being a doctor,educated,blah blah but I believe in Lord Ayyappa,I would not agree neither disagree with Jyothi,I would just wait for an evidence,till then,I am happy believing its divine Jyothi and I dont think its going to harm me or the nation.I dont think so,civil swami,should also crib about it.Its a good thing,swami,with all their mind,body and soul devote to lord for 41 days,its tougher than any other religious practice.It helping the person who is doing it in everyway,why to disturb a belief which is doing good and spreading the message of brotherhood.I am happy being a sincere devotee of Lord Ayyappa,I would encourage others also to experience the joy of this spiritual experience.You will not know,till you don’t do it.You only live once and this is the time.

Lastly,I would ask one question,how would anyone explain about the star,Uttiram,which is seen minutes before Makara Jyothi,is not there normally,not man made,cannot be artificial…….any answers???

Swamiye Saranam
Saranam Ayyappa…………………..Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa……….

God bless all………………..

6:27 PM  
Blogger PRAVEEN PARTHASARADHI said...

Makara Jyoti is the bright star you see in the sky. Try your best that bright star will not be there any other day.

What you see in the hill is nothing but the Makara Vilaku.

When there is a crowd and food not one but many eagles and crow flock. Here you see the same eagle same time doing same thing and no crow or vultures.

Iyyapa is son of Hari and Hara. You can see both Shivite and Vishnavite rituals in Shabarimala. The strict 41 day “vratham” is a vishnavite practice, while the presence of “Bhasma kulam” and lighting lamps in the mountain which is called makara vilakku” on the most auspicious day is related Shivites. Similar lighting at mountain is a practice in Tamilnadu and best reference is the vilakku at Tiruvannamalai. 40 acre temple complex of Lord Shiva.

The reference to vilakku anywhere in south India is a man lit fire and so is the case with Makara vilakku at ponnambalamedu. It is indeed done by human beings on that auspicious day so that the deeparadhana of god on that auspicious day can be seen by millions and not a few near the sanctum sanctorum. This is what exactly happens to the millions at Shabarimala.

So Makara jyoti and the eagle are undisputable natural phenomenon and marakavilakku is done by human on the same tradition as it is in other Shivite temples.

Please remember millions go to shabarimala year after year with 41 days of vrathum and many walk through the karimala chanting sharanam iyyappa with true faith and belief in lord. Have you ever thought why? Markaravilakku is on ly a day. The summary is very clearly written on the temple. “that is you”. What a beautiful way to give great direction to man kind telling that god is self and you realize when you look at each other call every one swami… god is every where in everyone and shabarimala teach you to leave like that at least 41 days a year. It is easy to tell some thing is wrong. If any thing is wrong correct it in a positive constructive manner.

3:46 AM  
Blogger PRAVEEN PARTHASARADHI said...

Dear Friends,
Makara Jyoti is the bright star you see in the sky. Try your best that bright star will not be there any other day.

What you see in the hill is nothing but the Makara Vilaku.

When there is a crowd and food not one but many eagles and crow flock. Here you see the same eagle same time doing same thing and no crow or vultures.

Iyyapa is son of Hari and Hara. You can see both Shivite and Vishnavite rituals in Shabarimala. The strict 41 day “vratham” is a vishnavite practice, while the presence of “Bhasma kulam” and lighting lamps in the mountain which is called makara vilakku” on the most auspicious day is related Shivites. Similar lighting at mountain is a practice in Tamilnadu and best reference is the vilakku at Tiruvannamalai. 40 acre temple complex of Lord Shiva.

The reference to vilakku anywhere in south India is a man lit fire and so is the case with Makara vilakku at ponnambalamedu. It is indeed done by human beings on that auspicious day so that the deeparadhana of god on that auspicious day can be seen by millions and not a few near the sanctum sanctorum. This is what exactly happens to the millions at Shabarimala.

So Makara jyoti and the eagle are undisputable natural phenomenon and marakavilakku is done by human on the same tradition as it is in other Shivite temples.

Please remember millions go to shabarimala year after year with 41 days of vrathum and many walk through the karimala chanting sharanam iyyappa with true faith and belief in lord. Have you ever thought why? Markaravilakku is on ly a day. The summary is very clearly written on the temple. “that is you”. What a beautiful way to give great direction to man kind telling that god is self and you realize when you look at each other call every one swami… god is every where in everyone and shabarimala teach you to leave like that at least 41 days a year. It is easy to tell some thing is wrong. If any thing is wrong correct in a positive constructive manner.

Praveen

3:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

swamiye saranamayyappa. iam eagarly
waiting for makaravilakku 2009

11:31 AM  
Blogger Sheets said...

screw you you atheist miracle murderer!!!

6:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the comments. I'm a strong believer in God. And I also feel this is a hoax.
"BUT" as somebody else wrote below, be it a hoax or not a hoax, if it never sends a wrong message and re inforces the man's faith in the almighty, it is good.
I also agree with Jiss : Going to sabarimala is not about seeing the miracles; it is about learning to see a god in yourself and your fellow devotees and thereafter every other living thing in the world.

4:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If people want to fast for 41 days, climb a hill , chant mantras, see a light and feel happy thinking its a miracle...what's wrong with that.what else is there to feel happy about? wars? violence, corruption, illness, broken families, homes ..that's the real world, isn't it? let them disillusion themselves for sometime...better than sloshing yourself silly or getting stoned or whatever else...do some of us a favour, go back under your blanket and sleep tight...some of us would like to get up early..

8:46 PM  
Anonymous Srinivas K said...

I am firmly believe that the whole MakaraVilaku an makara Jyothi is doing great unificatioon of People and also helping them live a better life. It is a social phenomenon and helping society by uniting people by bringing them together with faith. There is nothing wrong even if Jyothi itself is lit by temple staff which symbolizes opeing of temple gates for dharsan. By seeing Jyothi people who are far away know that temple is open after deeparadhana. It does not amount to cheating as piligrims are willing to come on their own rather by force or prejudice.I request all those so called sane than others to do something to society which helps to make it better. Kindly refrain from searching for wrongs rather please do something positive to help the society and country. Swami Sharanam

6:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as a matter of fact the makara jyoti and the makara vilakku it is not a hoax.

for the non believers , i say, first read the scriptures and understabd them then yoiu shall understand the signigance of the divine light.

second i myself have seen the makara jyoti, the star appearing in the sky during that particular time of the year, jan 14, if it was some thing else, lets say a comet or a star, you think the astronomers were blind to not notice such an event. where one particular time of the year a celestial object is visible to the naked eye??
they have noticed the haley's comet appearing once every 76 years why not this??!! cause they them selves admit, they do not know it??!!
pal it is divine. this talk has been going on since years , the light is divine. for the people actually gone there and seen they shall tell you, the light appears in the sky. seemingly out of nowhere. then it descends slowly to the hills, flashes thrice. ascends to the sky and then disappears. see it for your self.

and who are the people actually saying it is a hoax. all this is just hearsay. it is a hoax blah blah, light by people blah blah.

if this is false then i should say all the concepts of god are false
but it is not!!!!
please make your self aware about things firstly about your religion/ culture( Hinduism being a way of life more than just a religion).
read the scriptures and then talk. speaking without knowing the whole truth is the sign of fools

10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, It is a stupid magic show that has made millions of devotees fools. And still they are fools to believe such a thing. Why spend a huge amount of money just to be a devotee for 41 days and witness a magic show?! To be a good person is not to do all these foolish things. Why has God given us hands , feet , mouth , ears and eyes? To see, eat, hear, walk and most of all WORK. Work hard and you will have a blessed life, If you are a good person, you dont have to go to see God, but God will come to you. So stop all these stupid beliefs and dont waste your hard earned money to see a stupid magic show. Instead work hard and you will be happy So will God be.

8:46 PM  
Blogger GOPESH said...

I am a person firmly believe in Ayyappa....so like millions. Look the persons who argue that makaravilaku is fake should give an answer to the "KRISHNA'S EAGLE and STAR Appearing in Sky"....

I challanage the persons who argue aganist Makaravilaku to answer this....

See for every thing in this world there will be certain persons to oppose...even though they see it before eyes...

Talking about the Athiest People, even though they come to know it is 100% believable, they will always argur aganist it, because they are ATHIESTS....

Lay off to the articles by certain persons aganist Makaravilaku. Its done just to gain public attention and Cheap Publicity.

Swamiyaye Saranamayyappa.....

3:22 AM  
OpenID sinosh said...

Dear Mdemon,

Its a great shame to see some of the comments, from our "educated" "literate" people of Kerala who still believe this is divine ultimatum....see the comment of Mr. krishnan How childish is that?...

For the who don't believe still,that this is a "Hoax ultimatum" check my blog..

I have written my travelogue to Ponnambalamedu, where makarajyothi is lighted.. And you can see one of the Exclusive video of Makarajyothi..

http://sinosh.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/makarajyothy/

10:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pls dont goto Sabarimala.. I think there are very few tigers in the forest. but if you go there they will come and catch u for sure.

4:24 AM  
Anonymous Arun said...

Funny how the blogger himself has little idea of what it is. It is true that lot of people confuse things between jyothi & vilakku. Vilakku is fire lit by people on the hill. Jyothi is the star that appears at the sametime with the krishna parunthu. As per aithihyam there was a temple in that hillock and the auspicious moment was celebrated there as well by lighting the file. Now govt does it!. But yukthiwaadis who have no idea what anything is, use it to abuse an entire culture. This yuktivaadi cult has become really funny. Science itself is moving towards more metaphysical direction. I guess one day they will disown the very science that they thumb right now. Funny existence.

3:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swami sharanam...dear friends let us stop this debate..if you trust god ayyapa believe in him and if you are atheist dont comment on it either. The message from god is clear love , peace and respect for the fellow human being. If an atheist have above three qualities iam sure he will receive more blessing from god than million devotees who belive in god and dont have above qualities.To be atheist you need to belive you are god or superior to god and that well suits " Thatwam Asi " .
I visit sabaimala every year .I was an aethist earlier and now i understand god ayyapan is "Maya " ..miracle or paranormal which you can feel on the holy hill. I had much closer encouter with his posstive energy on karimala hills.I Cannot comment anything much on ayyapans history or makara villaku event b"coz my knowledge is very less on it .

But iam sure the human knowledge is very less on all that haapens on earth. We should not forget the fact that we are born on earth due to a miracle or maya of mother nature.With much confidence in our youth we can always prove we are right but let us not forget old age is not far..A time when we ourself will not be in a postion to support our values or words.

No Humans if an atheist or a devotees lives more than hundred years, But makara villaku and lord ayyapa will survive on earth for ever. Ultimately " God is Winner "

5:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All is well with ones faith. Lord Ayappa is supreme power.
Swami Sharanam ente Ponnayaappa

8:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

last year I believe kairali TV had shown it as this as hoax with the proof. Any way believe that god almigthty is one and there is no one else with him to compare....

SEE THE VERSES IN VEDAS......

There is no second God, nor a third, nor is even a fourth spoken of
There is no fifth God or a sixth nor is even a seventh mentioned.
There is no eighth God, nor a ninth. Nothing is spoken about a tenth even.
This unique power is in itself. That Lord is only one, the only omnipresent. It is one and the only one.
Atharva Veda 13.4.2 19-20



The real God is one, the enlightened ones, speak of Him in several ways, God is divine, the supreme protector and graceful sentient, the Universal soul. They call Him Indra, the Almighty, the universal friend [mitra]. Varuna the most acceptable and obliterator of sins, they describe Him as [agnim] the supreme guide of the Universe, {Yaman} the controller of the Universe, and {matarishvanam] the life of all lives.
Rig Veda 1.64.46

9:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,
I red ur article on makara villaku. I just want to suggest u please don't write such things against the hindu relegious beliefs and dont make people to believe this.
i disagree with u because if we think that the shabarimalai devasthanam and kerala state govt. doing such things. they r doing just for preserving the beliefs of lakhs of pilgrims who visit the holy temple after there 40 days of severe deeksha and also for preserving hindu dharma. I suggest u that by such sentences of urs theres no profit for u but many gets mentally disapointment who believes strongly in such things.
so, please avoid writing such things

9:50 PM  
Anonymous Sujit Nair, Mumbai said...

Shed more LIGHT:

Hi writer ,

Beautifully written and well corroborated.
You can call me an agnostic. I have visited the shrine twice and did get a feeling of confidence and fresh energy.
But since a child i was always baffled by the makaravillaku theory(or practical for some.)I wondered if the torch if at all real ;happened at the top of a hill which could be ventured and studied easily. If people can reach and explore the moon, conquer the everest why not a hill one tenth its size. I fail to understand if it is divine or a natural phenomena then why is the place prohibited??
Answer to which is what you had stated earlier.
IF IT WAS TRUE IT NEED NOT BE CONCEALED. I could see many people(believers) asking for evidence to prove it false. NDTV's account would suffice to prove its falsity. I would now request the same people to prove that its true.
If they cant do it why don't they allow others to do it.

Mr. Rahul seems to be privileged among us to have unprecedented access to truth. But am sure even he wont let it out.

For me I had aborted my quest for the truth.
My saying is if the whole event can augment the goverments treasury and on other hand satisfy millions of devotees and instill faith then fine. Let the show go on.
LIVE and LET LIVE.

3:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what about the star that appear in the sky and eagle roaming round the sky.....

6:15 AM  
Blogger Saravanan said...

Every year there is a steep rise in the no of devotees witness the HOLY MAKARA JYOTHI. Your bull shit blogs will not stop genuine ayyappa devotees.

6:40 AM  
Anonymous bharat said...

To all those brilliant, educated young people of kerala who believe in this nonsense called makaravillaku,the question is what is your degrees worth if you cannot think independently.
i am absolutely certain that your so called thantris and preists know the truth but they would rather have you stand in the dark and use your money to fill their coffers.
anyways what improvement has the makaravillaku done to the foolish people that watch it,but look at the improvement it has bought to the priests,just look at their bulging stomachs and see for yourselves

1:52 AM  
Blogger Rohin said...

Lord Ayyappa...believe in him..see the change in you and your life....

10:11 AM  
Blogger Subash said...

hello idiot are you a fool,u can tell like to hindus who are the poorest people in this world, can u came forward against any muslim mosque or christian church like. if u dont believe dont believe about ayappa, but dont put anything. Kill you.

2:25 PM  
Blogger rahul said...

if u dont beleive get lost man..!..ts none f ur busines..n u dnt hav rights..:X..swami sharanam..btw..arent u feel ashamed..by saying ts al ovr FUN?..its prayers n devotion! ..

6:44 PM  
Blogger Abduljaleel (A J Farooqi) said...

ഇത് ദിവ്യ ജ്യോതി എന്ന് അറിയപ്പെടുമെങ്കിലും
ആളുകള്‍ പോയി കത്തിക്കുന്നതാണെന്ന് ഇപ്പോള്‍ എല്ലാവര്ക്കും അറിയാം.
http://www.koottam.com/forum/topics/784240:Topic:2927166?id=784240%3ATopic%3A2927166&page=295#comments

12:49 PM  
Blogger prem said...

hey u stupid dumb fellow, if u dont believe in it , then fyn dont believe . its ur life ur wish. you have any prolem if we believe in it.
wat a cheap quality person u r . huh?? non sense . God is lucky for not having such bhakts who dont believe in him(God).

5:58 AM  
Blogger jame said...

good post.. i wish at some point people will think about the rationalism behind any belief they have

6:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

m Demon u R a big fool..

6:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Mr.Curious ...first of all i dont want to criticize this blankly as its quite natural that we will be curious to look into this....but before posting theese type of sensitive articles ..try to do a research on this..well what i heard is the actual Makara jyothi is different -which is a star that comes up in the sky at the time of deeparadhana...why u are not telling about the appearance of this star ?

10:31 PM  
Blogger jysu said...

i have an argument, if so said makarajyoti is a celestial object what will be the distance of that 'jyoti' from earth? by simple logic celestial objects means very distant. That means like all other celestial objects every one in that hemisphere of earth will be able to see that;not only in sabarimala and associated places.
Now, there is simple trigonometric or parallaxial ways to measure distance to the 'jyoti' from viewer. With the photograph of the 'jyoti' and distance calculated, one can easily judge where the jyoti was taken place and was it fake or not..

..I STRONGLY BELIEVE THE DISTANCE WOULD BE ONLY FEW KILOMETRES..

IF ANY BODY WANT TO DO SPECTROSCOPIC ANALYSIS OF JYOTI DO IT, THEN WE CAN IDENTIFY WHICH COMPOUND HAS BURNT TO PRODUCE JYOTI...HA HA HA
( who want to waste time on such sure fakes," believers , your belief will save you"..i quit)

11:28 PM  
Blogger vincy said...

I strongly beleive that it is a hoax.Now proving this is a madness.As you know a country where 85% are Hindu and they always want to beleive in things that are not required to be proved.They never invite trouble that expalins the authenticness of thier faith.But the day will come when you and me will realise that our brothers were fools and not ready to accept this real story.Do not just accuse the Blogger but also read what it said a leading authentic new papers NDTV news.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Vini the Pooh said...

No one needs to read the god delusion and some such books anymore to be an atheist.

The comments here should more than suffice. :D

10:42 PM  
Blogger sarath said...

hello,
iam also thinking that its a big hoax!
but wait a minute.....
you must be familiar that when the
"thiruvabaranam" is baught from pandalam there will be a eagle flying above that..
from where did it comes
can you answer this!!!

my e-mail : sarathrj10@gmail.com

8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all of you shut the fuck p...there is no GOD in earth....so, stop fighting....

2:08 PM  
Blogger Capt. Ajit Vadakayil said...

punch into google ssearch SABARIMALA MAKARA VILAKKU PARASHURAMA VADAKAYIL to know what is goin' on

CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL

5:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi

I am working for KSEB. We lit the Makara Jothi every year. Its man made. If I dont agree, god will not forgive me. Esp. after the 100's who lost life in the stampede 2 days back.
People should understand that there is nothing divine in this. We are cheating people. I am ashamed of this.

10:07 AM  
Blogger Prasanth said...

Hi All,
We judge ourselves and others based on our knowledge. Who has perfect knowledge? I will not insult a fellow being after making the judgement that his faith is wrong and mine is right. Are we not interconnected as humans and bound by a common make irrespective of all markings? Let people keep their faith. Let our brothers search for answers. Let the journey continue. Let the intellectuals argue. I pray for the people who lost their lives in the stampede, and wish there is someone to reach out the dependents of the dead, and shed some light, so they feel less the departure of their beloved ones. Wish peace for all..
Love & Regards
Prasanth

12:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wat r u people fighting for?
hoax or not people in india dont care for it
u know all the politicians in india are thieves still u vote for them
people dont care to know the truth
even if the truth leaks , people(indians) dont make it up as much issue
indians believe wat they are made to believe and never seek the truth
cmon guys we learnt that a star is a million times greater than the earth then how can a star shine from a mountain
soak ur head u believers
no one in india tries to seek the truth coz if he tries the community or the authority wont let him prove it
publicized????
how can anyone let down the extra money they recieve can u??
ull keep ur mouth shut coz u gain
this is 2011 guys u dont move around in bullock carts like 150 yrs ago
there are ferarris and more
think before u belive thats all

10:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

makara vilakku is a greate drama by devaswam bord

2:27 AM  
Anonymous Tony said...

No need to say this.aAny person who has a brain would understand it.

12:25 AM  
Anonymous Tony said...

You are a genius!!!!!!!!!!!

12:26 AM  
Blogger Gokul Ravi said...

I am condemning your attitude towards the feelings of the millions of people.
As you said, let it be a drama. Even I don't believe in miracles. But do you people know the truth that this pilgrimage convey to humanity? After adopting a 41 days of 'Vrudha' (ideally speaking), after controlling your 5 different senses for 41 days, after traveling a long, climbing the toughest mountain and the reaching the 18 divine steps,climbing it, you are reading a line at the top" Tatvamasi"! Meaning That is you! It is conveying a great message to you, This is the way one have to live his life! This pilgrimage unveiles our true identity!The equality among all of us!The ultimate btruth of humanity! It conveys that We are all one and the same, you,me and so called 'god' living and non living things everything are one and the same!That means our origin is one and the same,the same point ! ( This is what Big bang theory says right?)
Why don't you people enjoy the truths of humanity and nature conveyed by these spiritual places rather than questioning its miracles and beliefs of millions?! See I'm a former atheist (not now) but In realised at one point if time that aethism and science cannot answer all the questions and mysteries of our nature and even our own existence! I am a mad lover of physics and that love over physics made me into a monotheist or at least a non atheist. It's true, when you dig deeper into physics you cannot satisfy your mind as an atheist!
There are so many theories and concepts on physics that deals with so called miracles!
Do you know about Spooky action at a distance? Quantum Entanglement? Or anything about Quantum mechanics?
You people won't believe the existence of two particles at a same location or existence of one particle at a 2 different locations at the same time,but Quantum physics says they can!
So my dear atheist, you can't withheld your point for a long time and each and every moment of your life! Don't search for logic behind each and every moment of your life, rather enjoy it and allow other to enjoy!
Because, as I said, logic will jot answer all our questions about our nature and our own existence!

11:09 AM  

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